Judges on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals have been told by attorney Mario Apuzzo and plaintiffs that President Obama is a “security risk” and a “usurper” lacking constitutional authority since he admitted a dual citizenship at birth, thus making him ineligible for the office under the U.S. Constitution’s requirement that the president be a “natural born citizen.”
Don’t miss The Andrea Shea King Show on Friday night, when we talk to attorney Apuzzo and lead plaintiff Charles F. Kerchner Jr. about their case that alleges Congress failed to follow the Constitution, which provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate ‘elected’ by the Electoral College Electors.
THE ANDREA SHEA KING SHOW
FRIDAY, JAN. 22nd @ 9pm ET
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askshow/2010/01/23/the-andrea-shea-king-show
According to an article in World Net Daily, the brief was filed in a case WND previously reported brought by lead plaintiff Charles F. Kerchner Jr. and others against Congress.
Attorney Mario Apuzzo filed the action in January 2009 on behalf of Kerchner, Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. Named as defendants were Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives, former Vice President Dick Cheney and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
The case alleges Congress failed to follow the Constitution, which “provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate ‘elected’ by the Electoral College Electors.”
The complaint also asserts “when Obama was born his father was a British subject/citizen and Obama himself was the same.” The case contends the framers of the U.S. Constitution, when they adopted the requirement that a president be a “natural born citizen,” excluded dual citizens.
We’ll get underway at 9 sharp. Don’t miss a moment of it.
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Mr. Obama claims that he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. As his only evidence that he meets the Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution’s requirement that a President be a natural born citizen, he produced a document called a “Certification of Live Birth,” which he posted on his website under the title: “Barack Obama’s Official Birth Certificate.”
At first blush, it is case closed. A closer examination of the facts, however, reveals that Mr. Obama failed to point out on his website that his posted “Official Birth Certificate,” as he called it, is actually a 2007 computer-generated, laser-printed summary document of his 1961 vital record(s) on file with the Hawaii State Department of Health. What we do not know, however, is what 1961 vital record the Certification of Live Birth is summarizing.
In 1961 there were at least six different procedures available to obtain a vital record (birth certificate) that the Certification of Live Birth could be summarizing. Five of the six procdures were fraught with the potential for fraud because they lacked an adequate indicia of reliability and trustworthiness. That said, a legitimate state-issued document, like a Certification of Live Birth, that summarizes a document fraught with the potential for fraud, like five of the six 1961 birth certificate procedures, is not worth the paper they are printed on. To date, not one single solitary person in the three branches of government has bothered to look at Obama’s original 1961 vital record (birth certificate). Instead. they have just accepted his posted Certification of Live Birth, a summary, as conclusive evidence of his alleged birthplace.
Now here is why it is important to make absolutely certain that the President is a natural born citizen:
The President of the United States is one of the three branches of government. He is the Executive branch. The nation speaks to all people through one voice, the President’s. The President can make treaties, grant pardons, sign and veto legislation, appoint a Cabinet, as well as Supreme Court Justices. In addition to these duties, the President knows the nation’s most important and secure secrets, and as the Commander in Chief of the military, has the military’s nuclear launch codes at the ready, and who can arguably, either take steps to weaken the nation, or even destroy it. In the words of Vice President Dick Cheney, “The president of the United States now for 50 years is followed at all times, 24 hours a day, by a military aide carrying a football that contains the nuclear codes that he would use and be authorized to use in the event of a nuclear attack on the United States. He could launch the kind of devastating attack the world has never seen. He doesn’t have to check with anybody. He doesn’t have to call the Congress. He doesn’t have to check with the courts. He has that authority because of the nature of the world we live in.”
I’ll close this post with a quote: “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” Copied with permission from http://birther.com .
Re: “His posted “Official Birth Certificate,” as he called it, is actually a 2007 computer-generated, laser-printed summary document of his 1961 vital record(s) on file with the Hawaii State Department of Health.”
The Certification of Live Birth is now the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by the US State Department and the branches of the US military, and the officials in Hawaii, members of a Republican governor’s administration, have twice said that the facts on the Certification are verified by the facts in the files, meaning that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Re: ” What we do not know, however, is what 1961 vital record the Certification of Live Birth is summarizing.”
Yes we do. It was an ordinary birth certificate issued at a hospital. If it were any other document there would have had to be a delay or a month or more in issuing the notices to the newspapers, but they were published in the newspapers in about ten days.
Re: “In 1961 there were at least six different procedures available to obtain a vital record (birth certificate) that the Certification of Live Birth could be summarizing.”
All except for an ordinary birth certificate issued at a hospital required delays of a month or more, and there could not have been that kind of delay as the birth notices show. Moreover, the officials in Hawaii who confirmed Obama’s birth in Hawaii were absolute that the original states that he was born in Hawaii. Thus the original could not have been any kind of document in which it was possible that a delay or an amendment affected the ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE that the original said he was born in Hawaii.
Re: “To date, not one single solitary person in the three branches of government has bothered to look at Obama’s original 1961 vital record (birth certificate).”
No one did for any previous president either, and there is no provision in law that any department or agency should check. However, the officials in Hawaii, who have no reason to lie (since they are members of a Republican governor’s administration) have seen the original and said that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Just had a thought. I don’t think official channels will EVER release information, and was wondering about indirect proof. For example, passenger manifests from Kenya to Hawaii around this time of Obama’s birth showing his mother, father or other Obama adult with an infant. There is much that can be done in private investigations to at least produce “resonable suspicion” of a fraud on the American People. Tickets to and from Hawaii and Kenya…etc.
Witness Says Obama was Conceived in the U.S.
http://stupidassnews.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/witness-obama-was-conceived-in-u-s/
Re: “passenger manifests from Kenya to Hawaii around this time of Obama’s birth showing his mother, father or other Obama adult with an infant.”
There were no direct flights. Passenger manifests on any flight out of or into Hawaii at the time would do. But most are likely to have been thrown out decades ago.
You are welcome to try, of course. But it is extremely unlikely that there is any evidence that Obama was born outside of Hawaii because of the existence of good evidence that he was born IN Hawaii.
There is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, the facts on which were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii (members of a Republican governor’s administration). There are the notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were sent out by the government of Hawaii at the time for births in Hawaii (and not for births outside of Hawaii), and there is even a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii at the time (she remembers this because she wrote about the unusual event of a birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html).
In addition, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. The complete tape recording shows that she actually said that he was born in Hawaii. Her answer is absolutely clear to the simple question: “Whereabouts was he born?” The clear answer, shown by the tape, and this transcript (http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obamatranscriptlulu109.pdf) was “America, Hawaii.”
“There is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, the facts on which were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii (members of a Republican governor’s administration).”
An “official state-issued document that summarizes a document that lacks an adequate indicia or reliability and trustworthiness is not worth the paper it is printed on. I discussed this in my http://birther.com article. You should read it and post your response there if you can.
“There are the notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were sent out by the government of Hawaii at the time for births in Hawaii (and not for births outside of Hawaii)…”
Such notices could have been autogenerated by the registration of any birth, and as we know, there were five other procudures to obtain a birth certificate that lacked an adequate indicia of reliability. The notice could have also been placed by Ann, not for the rediculous purpose of helping him to become President one day, but rather to lay a foundation should the INS one day call his citizenship into question, as they have done with hundreds of thousands of other people over the years. Now I am not disputing that Hawaii was written on his 1961 record, so we can dispense with your argument that contains: ” (and not for births outside of Hawaii)…”
“and there is even a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii at the time (she remembers this because she wrote about the unusual event of a birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html).”
One alleged witness who has never testfied under oath or been cross examined? That’s it?
“In addition, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. The complete tape recording shows that she actually said that he was born in Hawaii. Her answer is absolutely clear to the simple question: “Whereabouts was he born?” The clear answer, shown by the tape, and this transcript (http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obamatranscriptlulu109.pdf) was “America, Hawaii.”
Grandmothers lie sometimes to protect their gandchildren.
“The Certification of Live Birth is now the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by the US State Department and the branches of the US military, and the officials in Hawaii, members of a Republican governor’s administration, have twice said that the facts on the Certification are verified by the facts in the files, meaning that Obama was born in Hawaii.”
The only things that were verified were one, the Certification of Live Birth was issued, and two, that “Honolulu” was written on Obama’s original 1961 vital record. What the state has not and will not disclose is which of the six vital record procedures was used to generate a this 1961 birth record. State officials are only repeating what they have read on his documents, nothing more.
“Yes we do. It was an ordinary birth certificate issued at a hospital If it were any other document there would have had to be a delay or a month or more in issuing the notices to the newspapers, but they were published in the newspapers in about ten days.”
The posted Certification of Live Birth was not issued by a hospital, and there is nothing written in it supporting the claim that it summarized a 1961 hospital-generated birth record. As for your one month delay to get a birth announcement published, what is your citation for such a rule? In any event, Ann, as I stated before, could have placed the notice herself to use in case the INS questioned her later on.
“All except for an ordinary birth certificate issued at a hospital required delays of a month or more, and there could not have been that kind of delay as the birth notices show. Moreover, the officials in Hawaii who confirmed Obama’s birth in Hawaii were absolute that the original states that he was born in Hawaii. Thus the original could not have been any kind of document in which it was possible that a delay or an amendment affected the ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE that the original said he was born in Hawaii.”
Once again, you are ignoring the facts. In 1961 there was more than one procedure available to generate a birth certificate listing Honolulu as a place of birth. I went over these in my http://birther.com article. There were procedures in place where Honolulu could have been recorded on the birth certificate just on the say so of anyone, with no witnessing by a doctor, hospital, or nurse. I am not disputing that the original 1961 birth document reads Honolulu. Like I said before, there were procedures in place in 1961 where Honolulu could have been recorded on the 1961 birth certificate just on the say so of anyone, with no witnessing by a doctor, hospital, or nurse.
“Re: “To date, not one single solitary person in the three branches of government has bothered to look at Obama’s original 1961 vital record (birth certificate).”
“No one did for any previous president either, and there is no provision in law that any department or agency should check. However, the officials in Hawaii, who have no reason to lie (since they are members of a Republican governor’s administration) have seen the original and said that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii.”
First, it is irrelevant whether or not anyone did so for other presidential candidates. But I believe, however, that Congress did hold congressional hearings on McCain’s birthplace. Second, government officials don’t lie? Are you kidding me? Third, you keep saying that the original 1961 record reads Hawaii as the place of birth. I am not disputing this fact, however, like I said before, there were procedures in place in 1961 where Honolulu could have been recorded on the 1961 birth certificate just on the say so of anyone, with no witnessing by a doctor, hospital, or nurse.
Re: “An “official state-issued document that summarizes a document that lacks an adequate indicia or reliability and trustworthiness is not worth the paper it is printed on.”
That is your opinion. In fact, it is the official birth certificate, and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the US military. There is not a shred of proof or credible reports that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii. His Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii.
In addition, the officials in Hawaii (members of a Republican governor’s administration) have said twice that the facts on the document in the files show that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. Since they do not send out the original document to anyone anymore, they have chosen not to show this one either. That is their choice, the choice of a Republican governor’s administration. Yet, the official document plus the confirmation of the officials is sufficient. It is far more evidence of birth in the USA than we have had for any previous president, and there is no evidence of birth outside of the USA.
If you would like Hawaii to change its rules to allow the original to be sent out, petition the governor, Linda Lingle.
Re: ‘I am not disputing this fact, however, like I said before, there were procedures in place in 1961 where Honolulu could have been recorded on the 1961 birth certificate just on the say so of anyone, with no witnessing by a doctor, hospital, or nurse.”
NOT true. In order to get an original 1961 birth certificate that said “born in Hawaii” on it, the family had to prove birth in Hawii, either by the normal procedure of birth in a hospital or by the statement of such witnesses as the doctor who delivered the child or a midwife or, if there was no medical assistance, some other witness.
All birth certificates OTHER than a normal birth certificate issued at a hospital required a delay of a month at least, but there was no delay in this case, as the notices in the newspapers said. The notices were generated by government and only by government. The newspapers did not accept individual notices at the time. To be sure, they might have been generated by some other kind of a birth other than a normal birth in a hospital, but one thing that cannot be changed is the dates that they appeared in the newspapers. Because of those dates there cannot have been a delay in issuing the birth certificate, so none of the birth certificates other than a normal one could have been involved.
Sure, governments and grandmothers lie, but why should a Republican governor’s administration lie for a Democrat?
Reorganized to make it more clear, and adding discussion of Kenya.
Re: “An “official state-issued document that summarizes a document that lacks an adequate indicia or reliability and trustworthiness is not worth the paper it is printed on.”
That is your opinion. In fact, it is the official birth certificate, and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the US military. There is not a shred of proof or credible reports that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii. His Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii.
In addition, the officials in Hawaii (members of a Republican governor’s administration) have said twice that the facts on the document in the files show that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. Since they do not send out the original document to anyone anymore, they have chosen not to show this one either. That is their choice, the choice of a Republican governor’s administration. Yet, the official document plus the confirmation of the officials is sufficient. It is far more evidence of birth in the USA than we have had for any previous president, and there is no evidence of birth outside of the USA.
If you would like Hawaii to change its rules to allow the original to be sent out, petition the governor, Linda Lingle.
Re: ‘I am not disputing this fact, however, like I said before, there were procedures in place in 1961 where Honolulu could have been recorded on the 1961 birth certificate just on the say so of anyone, with no witnessing by a doctor, hospital, or nurse.”
NOT true. In order to get an original 1961 birth certificate that said “born in Hawaii” on it, the family had to prove birth in Hawii, either by the normal procedure of birth in a hospital or by the statement of such witnesses as the doctor who delivered the child or a midwife or, if there was no medical assistance, some other witness.
All birth certificates OTHER than a normal birth certificate issued at a hospital required a delay of a month at least, but there was no delay in this case, as the notices in the newspapers said. The notices were generated by government and only by government. The newspapers did not accept individual notices at the time. To be sure, they might have been generated by some other kind of a birth other than a normal birth in a hospital, but one thing that cannot be changed is the dates that they appeared in the newspapers. Because of those dates there cannot have been a delay in issuing the birth certificate, so none of the birth certificates other than a normal one could have been involved.
Sure, governments and grandmothers lie, but why should a Republican governor’s administration lie for a Democrat?
I see that you are claiming that the Kenyan grandmother lied, the witness lied, and the government of Hawaii lied. If you still believe that Obama was born in Kenya, then you should explain how he got from Kenya to Hawaii without a US travel document such as a visa on a British passport or a change to his mother’s passport while she was in Kenya. (There is, by the way, not the slightest bit of evidence that she was ever in Kenya, and it is unlikely because she would have had to have a Yellow Fever shot, which is bad during pregnancy). Still, IF she had given birth in Kenya, the child would have to get to the USA.
How to do that without a US travel document, which would have had to have been issued in Kenya, and which would have been on record and would have been found by now? Oh, I suppose that the US State Department is lying too, and the State Department during the Bush Administration, which if it had found out that Obama was born in Kenya surely would have said something.
There is no evidence or even a reasonable story that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii, and there is an official document, confirmed by the two Republican officials, and a witness, that shows that he was born in Hawaii.
all the discussion over obama being born in hawaii? who actually cares, it still does not make him a natural born citizen, that would make him native born only and still not quallified to the office of potus. the democrats have been completely ignoring the constitution. which states that both parents must be citizens. but anyone who brings up this is called conspirators or birthers by the dems. why doesn’t the supreme court do its job and uphold the constution?
All three branches of government have turned a blind eye to the NBC issues. It is what irresponsible, self-serving, agenda-driven people do. Nevertheless, that does not mean that you have to be this way, too.
My eyes opened up after I researched the issues myself. What I discovered caused me to track down the owner of the domain http;//birther.com, buy it from him, and then use it to point to a site that has my NBC findings. Feel free to post there and I will do my best to answer your questions.
WE ALL SAW the VIDEO of OBAMA’s GRANDMOTHER, who clearly said. as she pointed to the house in Kenya behind her chair, that HE WAS BORN right here, inside of this house. She did not stutter or have any problem stating where her grandson was born. That Video was saved by millions of citizens.